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The PvP Honor System - Great Addition or Game-Breaker?


The PvP Honor System - Great Addition or Game-Breaker?

- Mogrin



April 19th. A Pope is elected. An LQGaming staffer has a birthday. Blizzard releases the long-awaited PvP Honor System content patch. Blizzard promised an honor system would be included at release, which of course didn't make it, but Blizzard has finally tested and released the PvP Honor System and reward program.

The Honor System was created to give players incentive to PvP against other players, specifically players of your own level range. Blizzard didn't want to penalize players for killing those of much lower level because:
  • It's World of WARcraft, and in war the more skilled warriors do not give mercy to the lesser skilled ones
  • A dishonor system would be almost impossible to implement without having some way of abusing the system
Abuse it? How you ask? Let's assume there is a penalty for killing a lower level character. Someone could very easily just get their level 20 or level 10 character to float around the battlefield. With all that's going on in a big battle, AoE could definetly strike these easy-to-kill characters and result in sabotage - people setting up the opposition to get dishonorable kills which will penalize them. There is pretty much no way around this.

It's ironic that players have complained for months about the absence of the PvP Honor system and how it was supposed to be ready at launch. Now that it is released, all you hear are complaints on the forums. It makes it look as if everyone hates the honor system, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Worldwide, there are over a million WoW-subscribers who have access to post on the forums. The North-American community knows at least 500,000 of the current subscribers are living in Canada and America (and some in the Central-American region). On the forums, there could be at any given time a thousand posters reading and posting. Even if that number was 5,000 or 10,000, it still represents a vocal minority - the minority complaining about a feature on Blizzard's primary communication bridge to its players.

One thing many people don't consider is that the people who actually like the honor system are not being vocal about it. They are too busy racking up contribution points to go onto the forums and post about how they like the system. Think of it as a consumer-seller situation. Let's say 100 people buy a lawn mower. Out of that 100, 80 are very satisfied with it and have no complaints. 10 of them have discrepancies with it, and write to the manufacturer. 5 of the consumers may like the product and write a letter to the company telling them it's a great buy, while the other 5 may hate the product but continue using it, and not bothering to express their feelings in writing.

This analogy brings up good points that are true for many PvP servers:
  • The majority of people on a PvP server do enjoy the current Honor System
  • The majority of those people who like the Honor System are not bothering to write on the forums why they like it
  • The majority of feedback on the honor system is coming from those who are not pleased with it
  • There are also those who are dissatisfied but are not willing to express this in the World of Warcraft forums.
Don't be fooled. How many times have the nay-sayers proclaimed that "this patch will be the one to break WoW". Blizzard is too smart to put in a system that could entirely ruin their game. They needed to add incentive for level 60's to get off their alts or stop farming gear and start PvP'ing against those of their own level. It's interesting to note, however, that most of the people complaining are those have not reached level 60 yet. Their main complaint is that the system encourages that every contested zone (which past level 30, every zone you quest in will be contested) should be a battlefield where people are hunting for opposition all the time, making level 60 an impossible feat for lower levels.

The truth of the matter is that this is only partly true. This is from personal experience; I have a level 51 Rogue on Stormreaver. The Honor System came out when I was around level 47-48. Yes, I was repeatedly killed and corpse camped the first few days, but after that most of the action came either full-swing or minimally. 90% of my PvP deaths were to opposition 'zergs' who happened to find me on the way to a raid. I still quested quite fine and leveled up pretty quickly.

Many people believe the honor system is also giving those who haven't reached level 60 the motivation to do so, especially on PvP servers. The Honor system hasn't even been out for 3 weeks and people are complaining non-stop. Blizzard has commented that due to the nature of the system, it will take several months for even the most dedicated player to become an officer of high-rank.

I cannot comment on the state of PvE servers, but I can say that even for PvE servers the end-game looks to PvP-based, even if it is consentual. But that's another topic.



Posted by Jonathan Shaw at 2005-05-02 21:33:04
I am a level 36 Pally and love the Honor system So much funner to raid now and has brought more players to raiding.


Posted by Garrm at 2005-05-03 02:29:07
The problem with the honor patch as alluded to in many intelligent forum posts it that even on PVP servers it has eliminated most options for pvp. The reason for this is that as you increase in levels you eventually become fodder for higher levels and unless you play a stealth class youll constantly be corpse camped at choke points in higher level zones. Try entering western plaguelands from the horde side or running up or down felwood and youll see. Also another huge problem with the honor system is the fact that most servers have an alliance biased po*beep*tion. On some servers alliance outnumber horde nearly nine to one making it impossible to mount counterattacks against zerging. Im praying battlegrounds takes all the bored 60 patrols on epic mounts out otherwise leveling 51-60 is going to take exponentially more time for most people.


Posted by Garrm at 2005-05-03 02:30:04
Bleh instead of PvP uptop I meantoptions for PvE.


Posted by Kelvin Trinh at 2005-05-03 08:37:56
I think the new pvp honor system is great. Now i have the reason for me to spend time just go around finding heroes to kill. I had no incentive to kill at all in the old patch of wow.


Posted by Ventura at 2005-05-03 09:52:02
The Honor system is OK it just needs a few tweeks. 1. Attacks at choke points eg griffens where there is only one path between areas should yield reduced contribution points. After all how much genius does it take to bring 5 casters to the griff and spam attacks as people get off the griff 2. Minimum damage requirement to get any contribution points. For example if you do less than 1000 damage to a char you dont get credit for the kill andor contribution points. This will require more man to man combat and cut the 3 60s on 1 53 that seems so common.


Posted by KillerFiller at 2005-05-03 11:43:13
I think that the Honor system kicks some serious ***. I did not even want to do a raid before because there were absolutely no rewards. Honor system rocks....period.


Posted by Cutedge at 2005-05-03 11:54:17
Youre a rogue and therefore your opinion doesnt matter. I have a 60 mage. There isnt much point for the pvp in the game even with the honor system. In the end you get nothing and its not much fun at that. Oh well.


Posted by Cutedge at 2005-05-03 12:03:12
...by the way the rogue comment was sarcasm.


Posted by Miles at 2005-05-03 12:09:33
Even the rouge has the right to state his opinion cutedge even if he is made for pvp. Also i dont really see how you can say the honor system is useless the whole the point to pvp is to rack up points so you can get the god-like armor and weapons available to your class but each man has his own opinion i suppose.


Posted by Cutedge at 2005-05-03 12:25:50
Well I suppose I should be more clear. Yes the writer has the right to post his opinion. However whats hes saying here is that everyone who doesnt like it is a whiner and therefore STFU NOOB. I pla*beep* on Stormreaver as well and I was looking forward to it. However the system encourages all the practices that I hated to begin with like Corpse Camping ganking at quest givers etc. To have a group of alliance questgivers at a camp who just sit statically while you get rolled by a group of 5 to 10 level 60 horde characters who are running back and forth between morgans vigil and flame crest for an entire is just dumb. In the end those are the people who will be at the top of the pvp ladder. I appreciate the competition but in the end I didnt have fun with it. Add in the lag the fact characters dont draw until youre practially on top of them now and other general problems and you had a recipe for me being anno*beep* and I dont play to be anno*beep*. Yes people do like it and I can accept that. However to make claims that were just a vocal minority who just whine constantly is absurd. Maybe thats not what hes saying at all. No this patch wont break wow.


Posted by Cutedge at 2005-05-03 12:26:52
explain to me why its putting *beep* over the following words p l a y e d a n n o y e d pla*beep* anno*beep* shrug


Posted by at 2005-05-03 12:29:11
Rogues made for PvP Dude Im a level 60 rogue and the second I go uncloaked I get zerged marked drawn and quartered Take your pick out of those either way Im dead. I might get 1 kill out of it but the real people who are bene*beep*ing from this honor system are any class who have ranged attacks. Priest Mages Druids Warlocks. Those are the guys that are kicking the crap out of everyone else. You are a n00b if you think rogues are overpowering.


Posted by Nillok at 2005-05-03 13:20:43
Well I thought I would put in my two cents worth of opinion. 1. You stated Abuse it How you ask Lets assume there is a penalty for killing a lower level character. Someone could very easily just get their level 20 or level 10 character to float around the battlefield. With all thats going on in a big battle AoE could definetly strike these easy-to-kill characters and result in sabotage people setting up the opposition to get dishonorable kills which will penalize them. There is pretty much no way around this. However I have killed many level 25s and im level 48 and havent gotten a single DK yet. This is because only Civilian NPCs give DK to my knowledge. 2. Also about above statement if you mean battlegrounds you stated battlefield so I oculd be wrong in the Instance scense that hasnt come out you have to be level 51 at least to get in anyway so its not possible to be level 10. 3. You stated you were at level 47-48 when the Honor system came out and thats when most ganking stopped for me anyway even after the HS came out so the fact that people ganking you went down may have been this same idea. 4. I have noticed on my server Boulderfist high level characters 55-60 do really like the HS their reason was that their is no one higher level then them it being impossible they can rank up on HK really easily and no one can really gank them. 5. My alt being 28 I have noticed that ganking in these areas have gone way up and I dont see my character doing much without some high guild help. But also I should add that there are more people on this server now so it could be just theres more people around that like ganking. In the end I like the honor system and with the future release of battleground I think WoW will be even better. However I think everyone that perti*beep*tes should be at least level 1 because although I didnt get may contribution points I did help kill alot of people from AOE and I would have liked to be level 1 instead of 0 but oh well. Also Mogrin I would like to thank you for the article. Its always good to see other peoples view points on things.


Posted by Vaul at 2005-05-03 13:30:29
My issues with the above article 1 - To the fan boy that wrote this article please spend some time playing the game on a pvp server specifically on a side thats heavily outnumbered as there is no A vs H po*beep*tion control. 2 - This fan boi makes the false assumption that if a player doesnt complain on the WOW forums than he is happy with the honor system. This is a foolish assumption as most players dont post on the WOW forums irregardless of their state of happiness. 3 - I see on multiple servers a large amount of complaining on 1 chat about the honor system and I rarely see someone defend it. Care to comment on number of chat posts ig that say it sucks 4 - Having also pla*beep* GW I noticed alot of commentary on how the honor system drove such and such to GW. The bottom line is that you have no clue as to what the real position of the players is in regard to the honor system. In reality I think the PVERP servers are mostly fine with it other than the constant raiding of lowbie towns and one PVP servers those below lvl 60 or those who are badly outnumbered are simply screaming about this system. Also in the futue please try to think out your arguements before you post them its embarrasing. 3 - That in war the mighty warrior does not take pity on the lesser ones. Well this is not war it is a game. And as such it must be balanced as a game


Posted by Vaul at 2005-05-03 13:50:13
Wow that got pretty chopped up. The OP simply needs to be more objective - in this case he presented an illogical arguement. I love wow. Its a good game with alot of flaws - and these flaws should be expected since Blizzard is a rookie mmo develooer. And lastly Im not sure what I hate more compulsive whiners or over zealous fan boys


Posted by Truth at 2005-05-04 02:42:30
All of you that dont like the PvP honour system... Why dont you just stop playing the game God it feels like all you people dont have anything better to do but to find forums around the net and slander the PvP honour system. FFS get over it or stop playing the *beep* game


Posted by Mogrin at 2005-05-04 15:02:44
Read all the comments... expected a lot of crossfire but calling me a fanboy is going a bit far. I play a Warrior Mage and Rogue all on PvP servers. I am Horde and am overnumbered on my server nearly 3 to 1 or at least that much at every major raidbattlefield and have to contend against zergs almost everywhere. Vaul - it sounds like you dont belong on a PvP server if all you want to do is level up. I find it funny how many people say their going to GW but still keep a WoW account open. I am not trying to defend Blizzard. I am defending the honor system and trying to prove to everyone that not everyone hates it. Even in these comments there are plenty who LOVE it. Im barely ranked a grunt and i still love it. Though most of the time Alliance zerg their way into raiding our cities its small-pvp where my guild and I shine and where true PvP comes into play. I am no fan-boy. I have NO CHARACTERS that are leevl 60 and I experience the same troubles trying to level up as everyone else the ganking corpse camping its all a part of the game.


Posted by Mogrin at 2005-05-04 15:04:38
Also - this is an EDITORIAL. Its meant to be an opinion. This is MY opinion. Its not an objective-article. If it were it would be in the article section.


Posted by Drawlnorf at 2005-05-04 16:38:26
The honour system kicks...i love it and im hooked...im a 56 pali on bronzebeard and get more hks and points then any other class...i made seargant in just 4 days and calculated over 1200 plus hks and over 10000 points in just 4 days....i love it it the best......palis rule .......oh only one thing that im unhappy with...... LET PALADINS USE THERE TURN UNDEAD ABILITY why do the undead get to use phsycic scream on us but palis dont get to use turn undead.....thats not right..


Posted by Mogrin at 2005-05-05 16:09:24
Psychic scream is a class-spell that works on everyone... tunr undead was deemed too powerful when it was useable against undeads.


Posted by Themink at 2005-05-06 02:52:05
On PvERP servers I really like the honor system. The consensual aspects of it mean that you cant be suprised attack - so much less ganking. It is very unusual to find a quest giver killed I play Horde on shadow council and Alliance on Proodmoore so it doesnt have a big impact if you want to ignore it - and there is the perenial Tarren Mill raid if you want to parti*beep*te. I cant see the downside other than the graphics overload when near the perpetual raid. Also I love the look of the tabard and effect of the trinket. Even at low level -40- I can still get a decent trinket for it.


Posted by Kozmo at 2005-05-09 14:24:47
hahahaha... These people who complain its quite funny You quit too easily you get ganked you res you start running and you kill what needs to be killed Zerged np just res run and come back later. You guys make it sound like punishment P I find that the danger adds a great feeling to the game its a war its how the game was made and orginally planned to be as said in the editorial. Just try harder


Posted by Relurdaed at 2005-06-26 11:24:27
I think its great. I Fuuked up an alliance biat*h. As you know its a babe


Posted by Shockz at 2005-08-08 12:01:36
WoW pvp sucks friend of mine has two accounts he simply created a alliance on one and horde on other he has a auto clicker proggy setup to continually kill on or the other over and over racking up HK its pathetic and so obvious..blizzard is the real newbs well when it comes to online gaming.


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Posted by mark at 2006-01-12 04:07:07
i hate pvp Other wise its fun the rewards but All Those paladins From alliance are Fu**** uberpowered they can stun heal rush Well im lev 34 undeath warlock thats not the best vocation to chose but its fun I still like the PVP But i would never play on a PVP always server cya Allundra aszune


Posted by Anthremin at 2006-01-14 13:51:23
You should take some time to think of the shamans mark. Paladins and any other class within 10 lvls of a shammie is an easy kill for it from my experience. So which class is really overpowered My guess would be shammies and everyone I have asked agrees wth me.


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